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Leaked Documents: Ukraine’s Plans Or America’s Obfuscation?

Still with the leaked documents.. the US prevented Ukraine from enacting these plans?

I’m still of the mind the leaks are of legitimate documents.

Still think they’ve arrested a patsy/fall guy.

Another part of me wonders if the US leaked the documents through to their fall guy as a way of distancing themselves from the mess that is Ukraine. So the US could present themselves as “leading from behind” or at arms length rather than completely involved and actually managing this catastrophe. None of which had to occur- Had the US not interfered in the earliest attempts to settle this disagreement.

In other words is the US attempting to obfuscate their involvement and avoid accepting responsibility for leading Ukraine down the road to ruin?

Even this incident below- Clearly the US ruled the day! Ukraine had an idea and the US said stand down

Washington Post

On Feb. 22, two days before the anniversary, the CIA circulated a new classified report: The HUR “had agreed, at Washington’s request, to postpone strikes” on Moscow. The documents, part of a trove of classified information allegedly leaked on a gaming server by a 21-year-old member of the National Guard, don’t explain precisely who interceded and why the Ukrainians agreed to stand down.

Ukraine, eager to bring the fight to Russia’s home turf, is sometimes restrained by the United States, which has tried to avoid escalating the conflict into a direct fight between U.S. and Russian forces.

Everyone with functioning brain cells already understands this is a direct fight between the US and Russia using Ukrainians as proxies. To give the illusion of passive participation. Even though...

The HUR also developed plans to conduct covert attacks on Russian forces in Syria using secret Kurdish help. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky halted the offensive, but one of the intelligence documents details how Budanov’s agency could still launch deniable attacks that would avoid implicating the Ukrainian government itself.

The Ukrainians could not have done this unless the US was fully and completely aware- I find it hard to believe they developed plans of any real substance without US knowledge and aid. The US occupies, alongside their PKK allies, in Syria. On US bases built in Syria

The introduction of a new battlefield — thousands of miles from the war in Ukraine — appeared designed to impose costs and casualties on Russia and its Wagner paramilitary group, which is active in Syria, and possibly force Moscow to redeploy resources from Ukraine.

This image is part of the leaked classified material that was circulated in a Discord chatroom and obtained by The Washington Post. The Post informed the Department of Defense that this imagery would be published with this story. The top secret document reveals that, in 2022, Ukraine planned attacks against Russian targets in Syria, but called off those operations. The document presents an “alternative analysis” of potential targets and the “assessed likelihood of escalation” from Moscow “if Kyiv decided to advance the plan.” (Obtained by The Washington Post)

The reported plan to involve the “Syrian Kurds” would have further exposed US collusion with the PKK. I’m pretty sure the Americans would have had to supply the extra armaments etc necessary for this attack on Russian forces. This could not have been done without US assistance. And if the US okayed this it could have resulted in US casualties. Lot’s of them. The US is pretty good at keeping their occupation of Syria well below the radar.

Rather than Turkey being on board with this as the article claims- I think this move would have raised the ire of Ankara! Turkey’s been trying to mediate between Ukraine and Russia much to the annoyance of the Americans. Yet, I’m supposed to believe they’d be on board with this move for really absurd reasons

Ukrainian officers considered training operatives of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), the military force of Syria’s Kurdish-controlled autonomous northeast, to strike Russian targets and conduct “unspecified ‘direct action’ activities along with UAV [unmanned aerial vehicle] attacks,” according to the document.

As planning occurred last fall, the SDF sought training, air defense systems and a guarantee that its role would be kept secret in exchange for supporting Ukrainian operations.

In November, according to the leaked document, Ukrainian military intelligence officers identified potential logistical constraints to their ambitions, including “issues with intra-Kurdish border controls and establishing a base of operations.” By Dec. 29, the officers appear to have found out that Zelensky had halted their planning. It is unclear why Zelensky directed the HUR to cease planning operations, but the document assesses that he may have done so for a variety of reasons: U.S. pressure, Ukraine’s limited supply of drones or doubts about whether the attacks could succeed.

I could be mistaken but it really appears as if the US is doing damage control- obfuscating and covering up their involvement as Ukraine “goes rogue”

The worry aspect of this all is if Ukraine decides to use some sort of WMD (nuclear, biological, chemical) on a large scale the US can and will simply disavow or distance themselves from Ukrainian actions.

How about you? Any more thoughts on these leaked documents?

10 replies on “Leaked Documents: Ukraine’s Plans Or America’s Obfuscation?”

Penny,
While they may be authentic it is unclear how ‘serious or important’ these documents are and who proposed the operations or who quashed them. Military Intelligence officers sit around all day, safe in their bunkers far from the front lines with beer and pizza, thinking up hare brained schemes and producing proposals. Military bureaucracy is awash with the resulting documents.
You wrote : “…if Ukraine decides to use some sort of WMD (nuclear, biological, chemical) on a large scale the US can and will simply disavow or distance themselves from Ukrainian actions. ” Well if that happens it won’t matter who is blamed by western public opinion or any ruling from any international court. Any survivors will not quibble about such niceties.

I get where your coming from but these are all supposed to be Ukrainian ideas? That the US is opting to reign in? Is any of that credible at all?
I get the hare brained ideas and proposals and have no doubt there are lots of them.
I was thinking a lot about Libya when I wrote this. How the US “led from behind” and we were supposed to believe this was the Libyans themselves that rose up and killed Gadhaffi but, that wasn’t true. Not even close!

Remember this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-obama-doctrine-leading-from-behind/2011/04/28/AFBCy18E_story.html

Obama’s ‘leading from behind” doctrine- all these leaks about Ukraine’s alleged plotting – while it’s clear the US is leading the way entirely.
None of what is happening needed to happen- sigh
There were options and the US restrained Ukraine from exercising anything but the bloodiest one so the US could destabilize Russia

Mark Finnegan “Well if that happens it won’t matter who is blamed by western public opinion or any ruling from any international court. Any survivors will not quibble about such niceties.”

To some extent yes, but, on the other hand there always has to be someone to blame. Finger pointing is all the rage.

But point taken 🙂

Penny,
Yes, the Libyan “colour revolution” was the epitome of illegal and immoral imperialist intervention. The moment that I felt most ashamed to be Canadian was when our jets bombed civilian infrastructure with their NATO co-conspirators and a Canadian General was commanding the assault to be subsequently appointed Canadian Chief of
Staff. ( Only to be quickly de-frocked in a sex scandal of some kind.)
The Obama “leading from behind” obfuscation doctrine always reminded me of the Israeli Mossad motto : ” By way of deception thou shalt do war “. A worthy aspiration for a secret service agency perhaps but hardly a doctrine for a legitimate democracy.

M.R. ,
I was not aware of that. It is some consolation, it’s hard to imagine a similar humanitarian reaction by an American “Top Gun”. Thanks for sharing, I can hold my head up a bit higher.

“The Obama “leading from behind” obfuscation doctrine always reminded me of the Israeli Mossad motto : ” By way of deception thou shalt do war “. A worthy aspiration for a secret service agency perhaps but hardly a doctrine for a legitimate democracy.

Exactly as you’d expect from a covert op agency, but, for Obama to express that as policy… it tells us something about how the US actually operates- or it’s actual way of being

Was listening to an interview at the Duran
So I’m throwing it out there
there seems to be an idea that this leak was done by parties within the government who were trying to shed light on the mess that is Ukraine?
Possibly to effect some change?
Anybody?

Hi Penny,
I still stand by the comment I made to your April 14 posting part of which read :
” I still believe that the leaks originated with a faction of higher placed members of the U.S. intelligence community who are trying to mitigate the sure debacle of the war mongering neo-con agenda, to prepare NATO for disengagement from the war in the Ukraine and prevent a slide into a nuclear confrontation with Russia. “

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