Hi Penny,

No worries, just one of the more unusual back and forth.

And like you said, interesting to behold.

Hi Kaz
excuse my tardiness, please.
You make some very relevant points regarding Turkey and India in particular- so far they’ve remained unswayed by the US.
I gotta say is interesting to behold. Especially after whatever may or may not have happened in Bucha and Irpin.

I’ll be doing my best to follow and hope you’ll always participate here 🙂

Russia – China relations have always been a bit… strange from what I see.

For me ; The closer nations seems to be with each other, the more cutthroat the relation is.

It looks more like a relation of convenience. Before the Covid situation I clearly remember China ramping up some territorial claims which are in Russian territory. It just happened to dampen down now because of other distractions.

And now with the actions taken related to Russians in Europe. They are getting purged, Money confiscated/frozen, Property confiscated, diplomats/spies ejected, diplomatic ties/favors severed. All links are getting taken down one by one. Soon it will be only Turkey left as a channel for Russia to talk with the west. If Turkey will still be able to stay up in the coming storm. And lets say turkey falls, russia won’t be able to use the bosphorus straight.(Agreements means squat for aggressive U.S.A foreign policy)

Than the next thought would be Russia – India relations. Well China has a beef to pick with India. And I wouldn’t be surprised if that would hamper Russia – India relations.

Next the value of Russia to China. Does China need Russia. With this war and the action the west have done to Russia, there probably isn’t any redeeming qualities left. Anything Russia can do, China can either do it or almost do it and the fervor the Chinese has in 5 years time, Russia won’t be able to match with that.

So I don’t really see a way out for Russia, from this.

And yes you might be right that China and Russia were moving closing to each other, but since the cutoff from the west that has changed. Russia is no longer on equal footing with China.

And before you mention nukes. North Korea has nukes, Pakistan has Nukes. Did that raise their value, not that I notice. So as long as he is not using it, its are nothing than useless toys driven around. So if Russia wants to use their Nuclear arsenal card, than they should deploy one to send a message. And than everybody would consider Russia on equal footing, if that doesn’t happen…. Welcome to the Satellite state of PRC.

But you know life is strange, everything can happen.

Also, hubby was just saying, America has overreached. And with overreach comes very great risk. He wonders if it’s desperation- at least that’s how he sees it.

I don’t see all this in quite the same light.

‘So we are choosing ‘sides’ as they orchestrate and implement the NWO?”

I wouldn’t say so. Though others may feel different.
It’s like the virus vs no virus argument.

While I agree some parties are working to implement a New World Order, it seems to me the “new world order” is mostly a continuation and progression of the order that exists present time- led by the 5 /6 eyes.

I realize the ‘new silk road’ challenges that status quo.

Still going back to Mackinder’s Heartland theory
superficial overview linked below
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History

And the US led world leadership not wanting the challenge (since it will leave the US/Canada/UK etc., in a subordinate position)

Kaz: I’m not sure that the moves by the US will necessarily push Russia closer to China than was already occurring. Or would have occurred as they made more trade agreements and built more trade routes etc.
They were already forging alliances. And the other nations along the way are looking to join in.

I put weight behind your statement.

With the witch-hunt of Russian business men/oligarchs. It looks to me more as an operation to cut all possible links between west and Russia to push Russia onto China’s lap.

At some portal I came across a joke from ww1, but I have no idea how true it is :

After one hundred years devil let the Lenin and Wilson on a trip to Earth. Lenin reads a newspaper and laughs. Wilson asks
– “What happened?”
– “USA has moved to communism”
Wilson snatched the newspaper and reads angrily, but after a moment starts laughing too.
– “What happened?” – asks Lenin. Wilson gives him the newspaper and Lenin reads a headline: “Riots on Polish-Chinese border”.

No, thanks.

Putin/Russia and Zelensky/Ukraine are part of the Kabuki. Choosing a side is akin to choosing an American political party. Controlled populace.