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		<title>No Evidence that Russia is Behind North Stream Sabotage Attack</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I omitted the word “conclusive” that was included in the Washington Post headline. Why? Because it’s weasel wording included to cast doubt. You see if there is no “conclusive” evidence than you have to consider their may be circumstantial evidence. Which is a red herring. &#8211; The red herring fallacy specifically involves using that irrelevant [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color">I omitted the word “conclusive” that was included in the Washington Post headline. Why? Because it’s weasel wording included to cast doubt. You see if there is no “conclusive” evidence than you have to consider their may be circumstantial evidence. Which is a red herring. &#8211; The red herring fallacy specifically involves using that irrelevant claim to redirect the discussion and avoid discussion/debate about the original topic.</mark></strong></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color"><code>The original and actual topic is </code><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><code>there is no evidence</code>.</span> It’s an irrelevant claim to imply there is no conclusive evidence. <code><span style="text-decoration: underline;">There is simply no evidence at all</span>. Period</code>. Not circumstantial- Not documentary. Not demonstrative. Nothing</mark></strong></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/12/21/russia-nord-stream-explosions/" data-type="URL" data-id="https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/12/21/russia-nord-stream-explosions/">Washington Post</a><br></h2>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">World leaders were quick to blame ( guilt via media propaganda) Moscow for explosions along the undersea natural gas pipelines. <strong>But some Western officials now doubt the Kremlin was responsible.</strong></p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But now, after months of investigation, numerous officials privately say that Russia may not be to blame after all for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines.</p>
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<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p><strong>“There is no evidence at this point that Russia was behind the sabotage,” said one European official, echoing the assessment of 23 diplomatic and intelligence officials in nine countries interviewed in recent weeks.</strong></p></blockquote></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Some went so far as to say they didn’t think Russia was responsible.</strong></p>



<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p><strong>No one doubts that the damage was deliberate. An official with the German government, which is conducting its own investigation, said explosives appear to have been placed on the outside of the structures</strong>.</p></blockquote></figure>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But even those with inside<strong> knowledge of the forensic details don’t tie Russia to the attack</strong>, officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to share information about the progress of the investigation, some of which is based on classified intelligence.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Given the relatively shallow depth of the damaged pipelines — approximately 80 yards at the site of one explosion — a number of different actors could  have pulled off the attack,</strong> <strong>possibly with the use of submersible drones or with the aid of surface ships, officials said.</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>The leaks occurred in the exclusive economic zones of Sweden and Denmark.</strong> European nations have been attempting to map which ships were in the region in the days before the explosions, in the hope of winnowing the field of suspects.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color">Makes the most sense to look at Sweden, Denmark and their allies.</mark></strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color">How about a NATO partner?</mark></strong></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><code>“We know that this amount of explosives has to be a state-level actor,”</code> Finnish Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto said in an interview this month. </strong>“It’s not just a single fisherman who decides to put the bomb there. <strong>It’s very professional.”</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>But a handful of officials expressed regret that so many world leaders pointed the finger at Moscow without considering other countries</strong>&#8230;.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">But as the investigation drags on, <strong><code>skeptics point out that Moscow had little to gain from damaging pipelines that fed Western Europe natural gas from Russia and generated billions of dollars in annual revenue.</code></strong></p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading"><a href="https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=No%20Shit%20Sherlock" data-type="URL" data-id="https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=No%20Shit%20Sherlock">No shit sherlock!</a></h2>
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		<title>Pipeline Big Lies Exploding</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pun intended. Always remember NATO&#8217;s reason for existing. Lord Ismay Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay was NATO’s first Secretary General, a position he was initially reluctant to accept. By the end of his tenure however, Ismay had become the biggest advocate of the organisation he had famously said earlier on in his political career, was created [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color">Pun intended.</mark></strong></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading">Always remember NATO&#8217;s reason for existing.</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/declassified_137930.htm" data-type="URL" data-id="https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/declassified_137930.htm">Lord Ismay</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay was NATO’s first Secretary General,</strong> a position he was initially reluctant to accept. By the end of his tenure however, Ismay had become the biggest advocate of the organisation he had famously said earlier on in his political career, was created to <em><strong>“keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.”</strong></em></p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color">The more up to date version goes like this</mark></strong></p>



<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p><strong>Keep Russia out, the Americans in and the Germans down.</strong></p></blockquote></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color"><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color"></mark></mark></strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><a href="https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/seismic-network-registers-blasts-near-russian-pipeline-leaks-1.6085745" data-type="URL" data-id="https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/seismic-network-registers-blasts-near-russian-pipeline-leaks-1.6085745">Let&#8217;s call this disinformation of the worst most absurd type</a></strong></p>



<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p><strong><code><span style="text-decoration: underline;">No official presented evidence</span> of what caused the Nord Stream problems</code></strong>, but with distrust of Russia running high, some feared Moscow <em>sabotaged its own infrastructure out of spite</em> or to warn that pipelines are vulnerable to attack.</p></blockquote></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color">I&#8217;m calling bullbiscuits on the claim this was done out of </mark></strong>&#8220;<strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color">spite&#8221;</mark></strong></p>



<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>&#8220;The arrow points in the direction of Russia,&#8221; Puck Nielsen said. <strong><code><span style="text-decoration: underline;">"No one in the West is interested in having any kind of instability in the energy market."</span></code></strong></p></blockquote></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color"><strong>Oh, really? No one in the West is interested in instability in the energy market? Isn&#8217;t that exactly why the &#8220;west&#8221; started their insane sanctions regime?  How absurd doe these claims have to get?!</strong></mark></p>



<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p>&#8220;But I think if we look at <strong>who would actually benefit from disturbances, more chaos on the gas market in Europe,</strong> I think there&#8217;s basically only one actor right now that actually benefits from more uncertainty, and that is Russia,&#8221; he said.</p></blockquote></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color">See here&#8217;s the thing&#8230;. I can think of others who would want more chaos in the gas market in Europe, right now.</mark></strong></p>



<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p><strong>Simone Tagliapietra, an energy expert with the Bruegel think tank in Brussels, said <code><span style="text-decoration: underline;">the leaks "can't be a coincidence"</span></code> and speculated they could have been caused by Russian sabotage <code><span style="text-decoration: underline;">or anti-Russian sabotage.</span></code></strong></p></blockquote></figure>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color">Zelensky is on message- so it&#8217;s looking very much like an organized propaganda campaign- whatever actually occurred.</mark></strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color"><a href="https://theaviationist.com/2022/09/27/nord-stream-gas-leaks/" data-type="URL" data-id="https://theaviationist.com/2022/09/27/nord-stream-gas-leaks/"> </a><code><a href="https://theaviationist.com/2022/09/27/nord-stream-gas-leaks/" data-type="URL" data-id="https://theaviationist.com/2022/09/27/nord-stream-gas-leaks/">The pipelines exploded in Swedish and Danish waters</a>- </code>Highly suggestive of  at least two parties that were involved in the explosions- which were likely anti Russian sabotage- </mark></strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>Official claims, most experts believe a sabotage operation, <code>committed only by a state actor, by means of navy divers</code></strong> <strong><code>or with a submarine</code></strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color">In Swedish and Danish waters.. </mark></strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">“There are two leaks on Nord Stream 1 –<strong> </strong><code><strong>one in Swedish economic zone and one in Danish economic zone.</strong> </code>They are very near each other,” a Swedish Maritime Administration (SMA) spokesperson told <em>Reuters</em></p>



<figure class="wp-block-pullquote"><blockquote><p><strong><code>.. at the moment there’s no evidence</code></strong> it was a Russian false flag to fuel greater insecurity</p></blockquote></figure>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><mark style="background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)" class="has-inline-color has-accent-color">No evidence what so ever. So it&#8217;s spin, hyperbole and bullshit. </mark></strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This wasn&#8217;t Russia&#8217;s doing as already stated..</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong><code>The pipelines were inactive. Russia had stopped delivery through them. It doesn't make sense to me they'd need to sabotage them,when for lack of a better term,<strong><mark> these pipelines are</mark></strong> OFF.</code></strong></p>
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