Comments on: Russia, US, Ukraine: Staking out positions. Aid cut and the Art of a Good Deal https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2025/01/24/russia-us-ukraine-staking-out-positions-aid-cut-and-the-art-of-a-good-deal/ Truth Exists: Lies Are Made Up Sat, 25 Jan 2025 22:45:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: penny2 https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2025/01/24/russia-us-ukraine-staking-out-positions-aid-cut-and-the-art-of-a-good-deal/#comment-4816 Sat, 25 Jan 2025 22:45:39 +0000 https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/?p=8624#comment-4816 In reply to Gary Wilson.

Hi Gary

I don’t know that the west thinks in ways that are solid or rational. Or diplomatic or peaceful… Sadly.

The proposals, in my opinion, represent the sense of entitlement deeply ingrained in the empire. The idea that Pax Americana can just take what they please, when they please and how they please is deeply embedded in the psyche of the ruling class of the US. And the UK, for that matter.

The areas in the east, now under Russian governance/control are indeed some of the prime agricultural lands, most of the industry and holds most of the resources

I don’t think Russia will give up the territories additionally it’s doubtful the people residing in these areas wish to become subordinate to Kiev/US.

]]> By: Gary Wilson https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2025/01/24/russia-us-ukraine-staking-out-positions-aid-cut-and-the-art-of-a-good-deal/#comment-4815 Sat, 25 Jan 2025 19:49:12 +0000 https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/?p=8624#comment-4815 Hi Penny:
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the territory that was part of the old Ukraine that is now part of Russia was the centre of the industrial area in Ukraine as well some of the best agricultural land in Ukraine. That would mean to get access to “critical minerals” would require Russia to give up territory that is now Russian territory. The chance that Russia would give up territory that cost so many Russian lives seems equivalent to the chances of a snowball in a hot frying pan.
Do you think proposals from the west simply represent wishful thinking or are they solid, rational proposals?

]]> By: penny2 https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2025/01/24/russia-us-ukraine-staking-out-positions-aid-cut-and-the-art-of-a-good-deal/#comment-4814 Sat, 25 Jan 2025 17:58:45 +0000 https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/?p=8624#comment-4814 In reply to Mark.

Language creates reality and the use and abuse of words for that purpose is a real sore point for me- I’m so glad other’s get it

So, yes and yes!

]]> By: Mark https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2025/01/24/russia-us-ukraine-staking-out-positions-aid-cut-and-the-art-of-a-good-deal/#comment-4813 Sat, 25 Jan 2025 15:32:26 +0000 https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/?p=8624#comment-4813 “Ensuring Ukrainian independence and sovereignty is not just the right thing to do, it is also a good deal for the United States.”
Allow me to translate :
–> Ukrainian ‘independence’ = code word for tightening NATO nuclear noose around Russia and threatening the Russian heartland with medium range missiles
–> good deal for the US = code word for continued rape and pillage by Blackrock et al.

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