Comments on: Ukraine grenade incident: Councillor tosses explosives into meeting

By: penny2

penny2 — Fri, 15 Dec 2023 22:45:29 +0000

Hey Mark
I’d never figure you to be contentious. You or anyone else who comments here.
Dima talked about this incident at the meeting he mentioned what was being discussed.

And I looked up the meaning of gallows humour, an absolutely appropriate term for the mess that is Ukraine “grim and ironic humor in a desperate or hopeless situation.”

Zelensky promised peace with his neighbours and instead he brought misery. So much misery.
And the way the people are being used by the NATO nations is appalling..
And tragic. Very tragic

By: Mark Finnegan

Mark Finnegan — Fri, 15 Dec 2023 18:54:04 +0000

i didn’t intend to be contentious, Penny. It was a lame attempt at gallows humour.
I read somewhere that the 2014 Trade Union Building atrocity is what really incited outrage amongst the common Russian people. That and the continual shelling of civilians in Donetsk caused the conflict to take on many aspects of a civil war, and we know that wars between “brothers” are the dirtiest kind of war for they are fueled by the the sense of irreconcilable betrayal.
The grenades at the council meeting reminds me of why I avoid local politics meetings, even though ours just devolve into arguments over pot hole repairs and speed bumps unleashed amidst a torrent of virtue signalling.
I can well imagine how tempers would overflow in a country as radicalized and divided as the Ukraine is today, but 3 grenades into a crowded room hardly seems like a rational talking point.

By: penny2

penny2 — Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:42:19 +0000

In reply to Mark Finnegan.

Point taken Mark, and recruitment could be a sore point for many. (I hadn’t thought about that)

Ukraine was lawless long before Russia began it’s military op.
What with all the private militias and recalling what happened in Odessa Ukraine – 2014

https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/03/17/2014-kievs-neo-nazi-thugs-kill-odessa-residents-in-the-union-house/

By: Mark Finnegan

Mark Finnegan — Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:29:31 +0000

It would seem self evident that this has something to do with some conflict be it personal or societal. I think 3 grenades constitutes conflict.
Sorry, I must be a bit twisted today but I find the semantics somehow humorous.
If I had to guess I’d say the discussion was concerning recruitment.