--- title: "Alas, poor Prigozhin…." type: "post" post_id: "4882" slug: "alas-poor-prigozhin" canonical: "https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/08/24/alas-poor-prigozhin/" markdown_url: "https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/08/24/alas-poor-prigozhin.md" json_url: "https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/08/24/alas-poor-prigozhin.json" txt_url: "https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/08/24/alas-poor-prigozhin.txt" published: "2023-08-24T12:28:10+00:00" modified: "2023-08-24T12:28:10+00:00" author: "penny2" categories: - "Uncategorized" tags: - "Africa" - "EU" - "Media" - "NATO" - "Niger" - "Russia" - "Ukraine" site_name: "PFYT2" publisher: "" language: "en-US" generator: "easyPress Markdown" generator_version: "1.0.6" --- **WOW, the headlines and news coverage is simply astonishing.** **Progozhin headlines are running the gamut. He’s being lionized, which is quite a change from the usual. We’ve got conspiracy theories galore from the main stream media who are the biggest promoters of conspiracy theories on the planet!** **Let’s consider these points of interest** **while thinking about what ever really happened.** - **BRICS meeting in South Africa** - [T](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_of_Ukraine)**[oday, August 24, is Ukraine’s Independence Day](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_of_Ukraine).** **This plane crash sure gives Ukraine something to feel good about.** - **Wagner’s involvement in Africa**, including with Niger- Which parties, globally, were unenthusiastic about their presence? Russia? No. France? Yes. The US? Yes. - **Claims of [the Kremlin taking over Wagner AFTER Prigozhin’s death-](https://english.nv.ua/nation/ex-cia-chief-kremlin-likely-to-seize-control-of-wagner-pmc-after-death-of-leader-prigozhin-50348668.html)**[ From former CIA director Leon Panetta-](https://english.nv.ua/nation/ex-cia-chief-kremlin-likely-to-seize-control-of-wagner-pmc-after-death-of-leader-prigozhin-50348668.html) are rubbish. This *“taking over”* process was already under way and had been for months. I’m sure of that because that information is covered here- Which means Prigozhin did not have the same power he’d been enjoying prior to this arrangement with Russian MoD **Refresh your memories** > [Putin’s Prigozhin Problem- Optics & Authority Are Being Challenged.](https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/06/24/putins-prigozhin-problem-optics-authority-are-being-challenged/) > **Sergei Shoigu announced that “Russian volunteer personnel must sign contracts directly with the Russian MoD by July 1**.” The same report indicates that the **Akhmat group of Chechen special forces complied with the Defense Ministry’s decree** and that the new contracts “will grant Akhmat forces the same legal status, rights, and benefits” as official defense personnel. If that is correct, and assuming the same status would be afforded to members of the Wagner Group, it suggests that upon signing the contracts, **`Wagner fighters would be integrated into Russia’s armed forces.`** **We’re nearly at the end of August now- and the contract signing had been going well as of my previous report**, **dated June 24/23**. **The death is still unconfirmed. The cause of the crash also unconfirmed** #### [It’s important to not jump to conclusions](https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/politics/6078133/minister-warns-against-jumping-to-conclusions-over-wagner-chiefs-reported-death/) > The **UK Government is closely watching the situation but schools minister Nick Gibb said it must avoid making assumptions about the crash.** > > He told Sky News: “We only heard about this… it only happened a few hours ago. > > **“We are monitoring the position. It’s important not to jump to conclusions**“ > > **President Joe Biden was less circumspect, saying: “I don’t know for a fact what happened but I’m not surprised**. > > **“There’s not much that happens in Russia that Putin’s not behind.”** **Joe Biden, what a maroon. Is Putin behind Navalny gropin’Joe? Sheesh!** > A few thoughts in light of Prigozhin's death. > > 1️⃣ No matter the cause of the plane crash, everyone will see this as an act of retaliation and retribution, and the Kremlin won't particularly counteract this view. From Putin's perspective, as well as many among the security and… > > — Tatiana Stanovaya (@Stanovaya) [August 23, 2023](https://x.com/Stanovaya/status/1694454748093485425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) > No matter the cause of the plane crash, **everyone will see this as an act of retaliation and retribution, and the Kremlin won’t particularly counteract this view**. From Putin’s perspective, as well as many among the security and military officials, Prigozhin’s death should serve as a lesson to any potential successors. **I agree with the above statement- no matter the cause of the crash, everyone is seeing this as an act of retaliation.** **It’s a point of view that won’t be challenged. Why would it be? It serves the state well. The rest of her points are up for debate**. > **There is heavy speculation, but no evidence, that the crash may not have been an accident.** **-It could have been an accident -It could have been a malfunction of some sorts -If it was intentional it could have been an internal matter. Internal to Wagner itself -If it was state sponsored it could have been a NATO state. It could have been Ukraine. -At this point in time, it seems Putin is least likely to have perped a plane crash. Because, frankly had he wanted Prigozhni dead, he had months already to do it. And didn’t need a plane crash to end his life** **Yesterday, there were reports of another plane with Prigozhni’s name on the flight manifest. It landed successfully** ##### [Faked death, second plane?](https://inews.co.uk/news/world/prigozhin-fake-death-second-plane-wagner-chief-still-alive-2568916?ITO=newsnow) > Russia aviation authorities have said Yevgeny Prigozhin was on board an aircraft that crashed on Wednesday night killing all on board, but the Wagner leader’s death may not be as clear-cut as details emerge of a second jet also linked to the mercenary group boss. > > However, neither the Kremlin nor the Russian defence ministry have confirmed if Prigozhin was among the dead and mystery surrounds a second private jet which was initially reported to be travelling with the plane which crashed. > > **Early reports of the crash claimed there may have been two jets, both linked to Prigozhin, making the same journey from Moscow to St Petersburg.** > > > **Soon after the plane crashed, flight tracking data seemed to revealed the second private jet looping back to Moscow.** **Did you know Prigozhin had “ died” in the Congo in 2019, only to reappear alive three days later** [Independent.co.UK](https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/prigozhin-wagner-alive-russia-plane-crash-b2398536.html) > Speaking to Good Morning Britain on Thursday, Kyiv journalist John Sweeney said: “Priogozhin has got previous for this. **In 2019 he was supposed to be on a plane in the Congo. It crashed and it turned out he wasn’t on the plane, so you have to worry a little about this. He’s kind of like a vampire. Are we really sure he’s dead?”** **Well, I’m not. He’s a very wealthy individual and could easily fake his death and move on in life. And if he is, I’m definitely not sure how he came to be killed. Accidentally or intentionally? But as of now, Putin is one among many potential suspects.**