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		By: Brazil’s Lula NOT attending this years BRICS summit as BRICS balancing act gets harder &#8211; PFYT2		</title>
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		By: penny2		</title>
		<link>https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/03/06/brazil-messianism-and-lula/#comment-2172</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2023 14:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/03/06/brazil-messianism-and-lula/#comment-2167&quot;&gt;M.R.&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey M.R.
Yup, I&#039;m reading it and meddling is about the nicest way to describe US involvement in Brazil&#039;s judicial system-
It looks as if they are embedded into the system

&quot;FCPA refers to the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, the legislation through which the U.S. claims jurisdiction to prosecute the bribery of foreign officials, even if the acts occurred outside of the U.S., as long as the transactions — or the corporations or individuals who made them — use the U.S. financial system. Petrobras is listed on the New York Stock Exchange, and many of the financial transactions under investigation at the time involved U.S. financial institutions or U.S. dollars.&quot;

Still reading but the information answers does the US have the influence.. they do]]></description>
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<p>Hey M.R.<br />
Yup, I&#8217;m reading it and meddling is about the nicest way to describe US involvement in Brazil&#8217;s judicial system-<br />
It looks as if they are embedded into the system</p>
<p>&#8220;FCPA refers to the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, the legislation through which the U.S. claims jurisdiction to prosecute the bribery of foreign officials, even if the acts occurred outside of the U.S., as long as the transactions — or the corporations or individuals who made them — use the U.S. financial system. Petrobras is listed on the New York Stock Exchange, and many of the financial transactions under investigation at the time involved U.S. financial institutions or U.S. dollars.&#8221;</p>
<p>Still reading but the information answers does the US have the influence.. they do</p>
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		By: M.R.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2023 23:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Penny,
I searched around a bit to see if I could get some understanding of that infamous Car Wash Scandal. First thing I found was this article in the Intercept:
https://theintercept.com/2020/03/12/united-states-justice-department-brazil-car-wash-lava-jato-international-treaty/
After partly skimming it I determined it was beyond my ken. I gave up reading when Dallagnol transformed in my head to Diagonal and Aras became Aries. All I could make of it is that the US definitely meddled in the Brazilian justice system. 
Anyway it looks like the anti-corruption task force which investigated the Car Wash Scandal has been disbanded after 7 years of work. 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-corruption-idUSKBN2A4068]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Penny,<br />
I searched around a bit to see if I could get some understanding of that infamous Car Wash Scandal. First thing I found was this article in the Intercept:<br />
<a href="https://theintercept.com/2020/03/12/united-states-justice-department-brazil-car-wash-lava-jato-international-treaty/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theintercept.com/2020/03/12/united-states-justice-department-brazil-car-wash-lava-jato-international-treaty/</a><br />
After partly skimming it I determined it was beyond my ken. I gave up reading when Dallagnol transformed in my head to Diagonal and Aras became Aries. All I could make of it is that the US definitely meddled in the Brazilian justice system.<br />
Anyway it looks like the anti-corruption task force which investigated the Car Wash Scandal has been disbanded after 7 years of work.<br />
<a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-corruption-idUSKBN2A4068" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-corruption-idUSKBN2A4068</a></p>
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		By: penny2		</title>
		<link>https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/03/06/brazil-messianism-and-lula/#comment-2165</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[penny2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2023 13:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/03/06/brazil-messianism-and-lula/#comment-2158&quot;&gt;Gary Wilson&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d heard a bit  about polls being shut down, but, don&#039;t follow the ins and out of American elections- Other than I do know there is a history of corruption ever present with them
&quot;No swing state ever examined the votes after the election.&quot;
well that&#039;s interesting! And easy enough to do or should I say to not do!]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;d heard a bit  about polls being shut down, but, don&#8217;t follow the ins and out of American elections- Other than I do know there is a history of corruption ever present with them<br />
&#8220;No swing state ever examined the votes after the election.&#8221;<br />
well that&#8217;s interesting! And easy enough to do or should I say to not do!</p>
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		By: penny2		</title>
		<link>https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/03/06/brazil-messianism-and-lula/#comment-2163</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[penny2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2023 13:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/03/06/brazil-messianism-and-lula/#comment-2161&quot;&gt;M.R.&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t know M.R. if they did. But I can&#039;t say they did not.
He was facing a fairly long sentence for corruption and he spent little time behind bars- this scandal &quot;Operation Carwash&quot; is still taking in political leaders in the south today- was just reading about it regarding
Peru
https://nacla.org/peru-infinite-protest-and-indolent-elites
&quot;This crisis does not originate entirely from Castillo’s presidency but has much earlier roots, which fall into three time periods. In the immediate term, it started with the Car Wash corruption scandals, which were first investigated in Brazil in 2014 and soon implicated high ranking officials and businesses across Latin America, including three former presidents of Peru. Investigations into the scandals are ongoing and contributed to the recent protests exploding before our eyes.&quot;

Which makes me think there is something to the bribery scandal that had embroiled Lula

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/08/lula-brazil-released-prison-supreme-court-ruling

&quot;Controversy swirled around the supreme court decision – the third time it had changed its mind on the issue in 10 years&quot;

If the law is the law how could the SC change it&#039;s mind so often?
It seems as if corruption would have been involved to get  him out of jail.
It seems to me there was something funny about the election- the Jan 6 2.0 afterwards signal outside influence had to have been involved in the election itself

Did the US? I can&#039;t put it it past them at all!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/03/06/brazil-messianism-and-lula/#comment-2161">M.R.</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know M.R. if they did. But I can&#8217;t say they did not.<br />
He was facing a fairly long sentence for corruption and he spent little time behind bars- this scandal &#8220;Operation Carwash&#8221; is still taking in political leaders in the south today- was just reading about it regarding<br />
Peru<br />
<a href="https://nacla.org/peru-infinite-protest-and-indolent-elites" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nacla.org/peru-infinite-protest-and-indolent-elites</a><br />
&#8220;This crisis does not originate entirely from Castillo’s presidency but has much earlier roots, which fall into three time periods. In the immediate term, it started with the Car Wash corruption scandals, which were first investigated in Brazil in 2014 and soon implicated high ranking officials and businesses across Latin America, including three former presidents of Peru. Investigations into the scandals are ongoing and contributed to the recent protests exploding before our eyes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which makes me think there is something to the bribery scandal that had embroiled Lula</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/08/lula-brazil-released-prison-supreme-court-ruling" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/08/lula-brazil-released-prison-supreme-court-ruling</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Controversy swirled around the supreme court decision – the third time it had changed its mind on the issue in 10 years&#8221;</p>
<p>If the law is the law how could the SC change it&#8217;s mind so often?<br />
It seems as if corruption would have been involved to get  him out of jail.<br />
It seems to me there was something funny about the election- the Jan 6 2.0 afterwards signal outside influence had to have been involved in the election itself</p>
<p>Did the US? I can&#8217;t put it it past them at all!</p>
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		By: M.R.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2023 00:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Penny, do you think it&#039;s possible the US made Lula&#039;s release from prison and his election happen? (With all its usual techniques ... bribery, blackmail and threats.) Facing a 12 year sentence at his age would have been pretty horrible. It might explain why he has aligned himself with US policies and goals ... pushing of vaccination, supporting Ukraine and balking at BRICS (even though he was a key leader in its formation). First, the US would have had to influence the Brazilian Supreme Court to get Lula&#039;s release and the annulment of charges against him. Second, the US would have had to help to rig the election to put the now very beholden Lula into the presidency. I don&#039;t doubt the US has the means to do these things but the question is did they?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny, do you think it&#8217;s possible the US made Lula&#8217;s release from prison and his election happen? (With all its usual techniques &#8230; bribery, blackmail and threats.) Facing a 12 year sentence at his age would have been pretty horrible. It might explain why he has aligned himself with US policies and goals &#8230; pushing of vaccination, supporting Ukraine and balking at BRICS (even though he was a key leader in its formation). First, the US would have had to influence the Brazilian Supreme Court to get Lula&#8217;s release and the annulment of charges against him. Second, the US would have had to help to rig the election to put the now very beholden Lula into the presidency. I don&#8217;t doubt the US has the means to do these things but the question is did they?</p>
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		By: Gary Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2023 15:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/03/06/brazil-messianism-and-lula/#comment-2157&quot;&gt;penny2&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually, apparently the Democrat machine underestimated the margin which Biden would lose to Trump so they didn&#039;t have enough mail in ballots to swing the results in the swing states for Biden to win. That caused them to shut down vote counting at about 11 pm on voting day in order to print more ballots. Interestingly, the Dominion vote counting machines were sold to the various states on the basis that anytime after the election was complete, all the votes could be examined as each one was scanned when it was entered into the machine. This was, of course, to prevent vote fraud to steal an election. No swing state ever examined the votes after the election. The democrats made sure of that. Remember, the Democrats controlled the big cities in the swing states. That made stealing the election possible.
I think in at least one state there were more votes cast than there were voters. You gotta love it!
Again, a verification of the mail in ballot signatures, in and of itself, would have been sufficient to overturn Biden&#039;s election without any need to look at the ballots themselves.
Another fun fact: when addresses on mail in ballots were checked, some of them were addresses for parking lots or graveyards..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/03/06/brazil-messianism-and-lula/#comment-2157">penny2</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, apparently the Democrat machine underestimated the margin which Biden would lose to Trump so they didn&#8217;t have enough mail in ballots to swing the results in the swing states for Biden to win. That caused them to shut down vote counting at about 11 pm on voting day in order to print more ballots. Interestingly, the Dominion vote counting machines were sold to the various states on the basis that anytime after the election was complete, all the votes could be examined as each one was scanned when it was entered into the machine. This was, of course, to prevent vote fraud to steal an election. No swing state ever examined the votes after the election. The democrats made sure of that. Remember, the Democrats controlled the big cities in the swing states. That made stealing the election possible.<br />
I think in at least one state there were more votes cast than there were voters. You gotta love it!<br />
Again, a verification of the mail in ballot signatures, in and of itself, would have been sufficient to overturn Biden&#8217;s election without any need to look at the ballots themselves.<br />
Another fun fact: when addresses on mail in ballots were checked, some of them were addresses for parking lots or graveyards..</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2023 12:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/03/06/brazil-messianism-and-lula/#comment-2156&quot;&gt;Gary Wilson&lt;/a&gt;.

so by simply disallowing the signature verification the vote could be swung just enough for the desired candidate to win.

very simple and effective.]]></description>
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<p>so by simply disallowing the signature verification the vote could be swung just enough for the desired candidate to win.</p>
<p>very simple and effective.</p>
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		By: Gary Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2023 21:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2023/03/06/brazil-messianism-and-lula/#comment-2155&quot;&gt;penny2&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Penny:
Mail in ballots are allowed in US presidential elections. Since it&#039;s a secret vote, there is no identification of the voter on the ballot itself. In order for the ballot to be counted, however, the voter who sent it must sign the outside of the mail in envelope for a signature verification with a signature which is on file. If the signatures do not match, the ballot inside the envelope is not counted regardless of who the person sending the ballot voted for. If the total number of ballots discarded because of invalid signature matches exceeds the margin of victory the then the election is declared invalid and no electoral college votes are counted for that state. If enough states have their election results invalidated by these signature matches, then neither candidate  may have enough electoral college votes to win the election. In that case, the election is decided by the house. In such a vote, individual members do not have a vote, the states have one vote per state. Republicans had control in more states than Democrats.
The Democrats apparently suspected Trump was going to win. So, using the excuse of Covid-19 perhaps restricting voters access to the polls, they sent out lots of mail in ballots in the swing states where the margin of victory was expected to be small in order to turn the result into Biden&#039;s favour.
The Democrats, of course, would allow ballot recounts to take place but they would not allow an audit looking for failed signature matches on mail in ballots.
In Arizona, a small sample of 2000 mail in ballots was audited for signature verification. The auditors, including a Democrat, found eleven percent of the signatures were invalid matches. The margin of victory in Arizona was about one percent. No other state would even do such a small sample audit.
The lawyer, Robert Barnes, my source for all of the above information, went to the attorney general for Georgia and the latter assured Barnes that signature verification would be done on the mail in ballots in Georgia, one of the swing states. It was never done.]]></description>
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<p>Hi Penny:<br />
Mail in ballots are allowed in US presidential elections. Since it&#8217;s a secret vote, there is no identification of the voter on the ballot itself. In order for the ballot to be counted, however, the voter who sent it must sign the outside of the mail in envelope for a signature verification with a signature which is on file. If the signatures do not match, the ballot inside the envelope is not counted regardless of who the person sending the ballot voted for. If the total number of ballots discarded because of invalid signature matches exceeds the margin of victory the then the election is declared invalid and no electoral college votes are counted for that state. If enough states have their election results invalidated by these signature matches, then neither candidate  may have enough electoral college votes to win the election. In that case, the election is decided by the house. In such a vote, individual members do not have a vote, the states have one vote per state. Republicans had control in more states than Democrats.<br />
The Democrats apparently suspected Trump was going to win. So, using the excuse of Covid-19 perhaps restricting voters access to the polls, they sent out lots of mail in ballots in the swing states where the margin of victory was expected to be small in order to turn the result into Biden&#8217;s favour.<br />
The Democrats, of course, would allow ballot recounts to take place but they would not allow an audit looking for failed signature matches on mail in ballots.<br />
In Arizona, a small sample of 2000 mail in ballots was audited for signature verification. The auditors, including a Democrat, found eleven percent of the signatures were invalid matches. The margin of victory in Arizona was about one percent. No other state would even do such a small sample audit.<br />
The lawyer, Robert Barnes, my source for all of the above information, went to the attorney general for Georgia and the latter assured Barnes that signature verification would be done on the mail in ballots in Georgia, one of the swing states. It was never done.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2023 19:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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Gary, If you want to share, please do!
I&#039;d love to read your thoughts on how that might have taken place. 
Thank You!]]></description>
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<p>Gary, If you want to share, please do!<br />
I&#8217;d love to read your thoughts on how that might have taken place.<br />
Thank You!</p>
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