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		By: Kaz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kaz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2022 09:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2022/05/14/turkey-not-favourable-on-finland-sweden-joining-nato/#comment-1307&quot;&gt;penny2&lt;/a&gt;.

You are right with regards to libya. 

However the post france/usa exercise. The situation with regards to russia also holds true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2022/05/14/turkey-not-favourable-on-finland-sweden-joining-nato/#comment-1307">penny2</a>.</p>
<p>You are right with regards to libya. </p>
<p>However the post france/usa exercise. The situation with regards to russia also holds true.</p>
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		By: penny2		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2022 13:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2022/05/14/turkey-not-favourable-on-finland-sweden-joining-nato/#comment-1306&quot;&gt;Abdullah&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank You :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2022/05/14/turkey-not-favourable-on-finland-sweden-joining-nato/#comment-1306">Abdullah</a>.</p>
<p>Thank You 🙂</p>
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		By: penny2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[penny2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2022 13:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2022/05/14/turkey-not-favourable-on-finland-sweden-joining-nato/#comment-1304&quot;&gt;Kaz&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Turkiye staying on the fence, while not the most appreciated stance. Is the best stance for turkey. &quot;

I agree

&quot;Libya is still a mess, mainly due to Russian involvement there again, against Turkiye’s interest as if France was not enough in the first place. &quot;

I lay the mess in Libya squarely at the feet of the US and France. Had they not bombed that nation and brutally murdered it&#039;s leadership we would not be having  this  conversation today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2022/05/14/turkey-not-favourable-on-finland-sweden-joining-nato/#comment-1304">Kaz</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Turkiye staying on the fence, while not the most appreciated stance. Is the best stance for turkey. &#8221;</p>
<p>I agree</p>
<p>&#8220;Libya is still a mess, mainly due to Russian involvement there again, against Turkiye’s interest as if France was not enough in the first place. &#8221;</p>
<p>I lay the mess in Libya squarely at the feet of the US and France. Had they not bombed that nation and brutally murdered it&#8217;s leadership we would not be having  this  conversation today.</p>
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		By: Abdullah		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2022 13:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2022/05/14/turkey-not-favourable-on-finland-sweden-joining-nato/#comment-1303&quot;&gt;Penny&lt;/a&gt;.

Penny, 

I really do appeciate the thought. I do wish I could contribute more. I have been heavily preoccupied during the last year as I am in the process of relocating. The planning and investment is quite an effort which leaves me with very little time to keep tabs on events as I used to. This venture is a priority for me Things may change in the future. However, I do still try to keep up with your work as I value your assessment on things too.

I&#039;ve been a bit brief but something of an explanation was warranted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2022/05/14/turkey-not-favourable-on-finland-sweden-joining-nato/#comment-1303">Penny</a>.</p>
<p>Penny, </p>
<p>I really do appeciate the thought. I do wish I could contribute more. I have been heavily preoccupied during the last year as I am in the process of relocating. The planning and investment is quite an effort which leaves me with very little time to keep tabs on events as I used to. This venture is a priority for me Things may change in the future. However, I do still try to keep up with your work as I value your assessment on things too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a bit brief but something of an explanation was warranted.</p>
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		By: Kaz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kaz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2022 09:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2022/05/14/turkey-not-favourable-on-finland-sweden-joining-nato/#comment-1301&quot;&gt;Abdullah&lt;/a&gt;.

There is no easy way of saying this, But.

Turkiye staying on the fence, while not the most appreciated stance. Is the best stance for turkey. 

sidelining the economic perspective as a whole.

Russia is just as bad of a YPG supporter as EU or USA. Since Russia is shielding them further operations from Turkiye in Syria like the USA does. 

Than you also have support from PKK and thus also YPG to Russia in the conflict in Ukraine. Possible even manpower 

Libya is still a mess, mainly due to Russian involvement there again, against Turkiye&#039;s interest as if France was not enough in the first place.  

So as far as I am seeing it. 

- EU / USA is keeping Turkiye economically and diplomatically in check,
- Russia is keeping Turkiye militarily in check
- Iran just like to throw a wrench in any Turkiye led attempt to stabilize the region and its own. 

So Screw all of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2022/05/14/turkey-not-favourable-on-finland-sweden-joining-nato/#comment-1301">Abdullah</a>.</p>
<p>There is no easy way of saying this, But.</p>
<p>Turkiye staying on the fence, while not the most appreciated stance. Is the best stance for turkey. </p>
<p>sidelining the economic perspective as a whole.</p>
<p>Russia is just as bad of a YPG supporter as EU or USA. Since Russia is shielding them further operations from Turkiye in Syria like the USA does. </p>
<p>Than you also have support from PKK and thus also YPG to Russia in the conflict in Ukraine. Possible even manpower </p>
<p>Libya is still a mess, mainly due to Russian involvement there again, against Turkiye&#8217;s interest as if France was not enough in the first place.  </p>
<p>So as far as I am seeing it. </p>
<p>&#8211; EU / USA is keeping Turkiye economically and diplomatically in check,<br />
&#8211; Russia is keeping Turkiye militarily in check<br />
&#8211; Iran just like to throw a wrench in any Turkiye led attempt to stabilize the region and its own. </p>
<p>So Screw all of them.</p>
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		By: Penny		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Penny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2022 00:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2022/05/14/turkey-not-favourable-on-finland-sweden-joining-nato/#comment-1301&quot;&gt;Abdullah&lt;/a&gt;.

Abdullah!
I&#039;m so pleased you stopped by to comment! You always offer a very well thought out and reasoned response. Plus oddly enough I was wondering what had come of  you?

&quot; the reality is that Turkey’s true interest is in remaining neutral in relation to Natoo”s total war on Russia. &quot;

I agree 100 percent! That is definitely in Turkey&#039;s best interest.
in the neighbourhood- black sea interests- belt and road etc., etc.,

&quot;Turkey, in line with the Astana Accords should really have taken the opportunity further of working with Russia and reaching a consensus and reconciliation in regards the Syrian conflict. &quot;

I would have liked to see that as well.. but there could have been internal issues that factored into that? I just don&#039;t know. However, I think they did the most they could do (just an opinion) to serve their interests in the matter.

&quot;Of course, in a future scenario Trky may well steer clear of any serious Natoo adventures towards Russia. But in that scenario US assets in Syria would certainly be exploited. On the other hand if Trky did get involved and allowed natoo warships to pass through the bosphorus and impede Russia the consequences would be devastating. &quot;

Turkey has to walk the tight rope. That&#039;s how I see it. A balancing act.

&quot;Move in the direction of Eurasia, OBOR and the SCO. This is where the future is emerging with safety and respect for sovereignty. Has Trky missed this opportunity.&quot;

I don&#039;t think they have yet. Again, only my opinion.  It&#039;s just going to be hard to extract themselves from the extreme NATO influence. Greece is waiting to fill that void and be a thorn in Turkey&#039;s side.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pennyforyourthoughts2.ca/2022/05/14/turkey-not-favourable-on-finland-sweden-joining-nato/#comment-1301">Abdullah</a>.</p>
<p>Abdullah!<br />
I&#8217;m so pleased you stopped by to comment! You always offer a very well thought out and reasoned response. Plus oddly enough I was wondering what had come of  you?</p>
<p>&#8221; the reality is that Turkey’s true interest is in remaining neutral in relation to Natoo”s total war on Russia. &#8221;</p>
<p>I agree 100 percent! That is definitely in Turkey&#8217;s best interest.<br />
in the neighbourhood- black sea interests- belt and road etc., etc.,</p>
<p>&#8220;Turkey, in line with the Astana Accords should really have taken the opportunity further of working with Russia and reaching a consensus and reconciliation in regards the Syrian conflict. &#8221;</p>
<p>I would have liked to see that as well.. but there could have been internal issues that factored into that? I just don&#8217;t know. However, I think they did the most they could do (just an opinion) to serve their interests in the matter.</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course, in a future scenario Trky may well steer clear of any serious Natoo adventures towards Russia. But in that scenario US assets in Syria would certainly be exploited. On the other hand if Trky did get involved and allowed natoo warships to pass through the bosphorus and impede Russia the consequences would be devastating. &#8221;</p>
<p>Turkey has to walk the tight rope. That&#8217;s how I see it. A balancing act.</p>
<p>&#8220;Move in the direction of Eurasia, OBOR and the SCO. This is where the future is emerging with safety and respect for sovereignty. Has Trky missed this opportunity.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they have yet. Again, only my opinion.  It&#8217;s just going to be hard to extract themselves from the extreme NATO influence. Greece is waiting to fill that void and be a thorn in Turkey&#8217;s side.</p>
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		By: Abdullah		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2022 22:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Penny 


I do get your take on Turkey looking at its own interests and playing a balancing game. 


However, even if concessions are made regarding YPG and other military, economic gains, the reality is that Turkey&#039;s true interest is in remaining neutral in relation to Natoo&#039;&#039;s total war on Russia. The Anglo Zio West has certainly unmasked itself and it&#039;s hellbent on winning the war with Russia. Only subjugation will do. The game of brinkmanship is creeping slowly but surely past the point of no return. With the likely accession of SW and FIN, almost the entirety of the western hemisphere is on board. If a natoo war on Russia fully materialises, all US bases within the region would be targeted by Russia as a military priority. That puts Trky in the immediate crosshairs. An unwise calculation.


In fact, it should not even be forgiven that it&#039;s own alliance members have aided and abetted the YPG. Taking scant notice of Turkish security interests. Does Trky want to put faith in such friends. Does it value their word even as they have lied and waged war immorally numerous times. 


Turkey, in line with the Astana Accords should really have taken the opportunity further of working with Russia and reaching a consensus and reconciliation in regards the Syrian conflict. Even though it appears they are working with Russia in cooperation in a number of issues, it would be detrimental to lose that goodwill built up over the years. This trilateral cooperation in Syria would remain the better option of neutralising and suffocating the YPG threat. 


Of course, in a future scenario Trky may well steer clear of any serious Natoo adventures towards Russia. But in that scenario US assets in Syria would certainly be exploited. On the other hand if Trky did get involved and allowed natoo warships to pass through the bosphorus and impede Russia the consequences would be devastating. 


Sitting on the fence was perhaps never the best policy in its own regional space. In the end it will likely be pulled to a side. And if the side it chooses is to remain comfortable in natoo then that would seem to be the more detrimental choice. 


Analysts had hoped Trky would eventually leave the natoo alliance. Build energy, food and security ties with Russia. Move in the direction of Eurasia, OBOR and the SCO. This is where the future is emerging with safety and respect for sovereignty. Has Trky missed this opportunity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Penny </p>
<p>I do get your take on Turkey looking at its own interests and playing a balancing game. </p>
<p>However, even if concessions are made regarding YPG and other military, economic gains, the reality is that Turkey&#8217;s true interest is in remaining neutral in relation to Natoo&#8221;s total war on Russia. The Anglo Zio West has certainly unmasked itself and it&#8217;s hellbent on winning the war with Russia. Only subjugation will do. The game of brinkmanship is creeping slowly but surely past the point of no return. With the likely accession of SW and FIN, almost the entirety of the western hemisphere is on board. If a natoo war on Russia fully materialises, all US bases within the region would be targeted by Russia as a military priority. That puts Trky in the immediate crosshairs. An unwise calculation.</p>
<p>In fact, it should not even be forgiven that it&#8217;s own alliance members have aided and abetted the YPG. Taking scant notice of Turkish security interests. Does Trky want to put faith in such friends. Does it value their word even as they have lied and waged war immorally numerous times. </p>
<p>Turkey, in line with the Astana Accords should really have taken the opportunity further of working with Russia and reaching a consensus and reconciliation in regards the Syrian conflict. Even though it appears they are working with Russia in cooperation in a number of issues, it would be detrimental to lose that goodwill built up over the years. This trilateral cooperation in Syria would remain the better option of neutralising and suffocating the YPG threat. </p>
<p>Of course, in a future scenario Trky may well steer clear of any serious Natoo adventures towards Russia. But in that scenario US assets in Syria would certainly be exploited. On the other hand if Trky did get involved and allowed natoo warships to pass through the bosphorus and impede Russia the consequences would be devastating. </p>
<p>Sitting on the fence was perhaps never the best policy in its own regional space. In the end it will likely be pulled to a side. And if the side it chooses is to remain comfortable in natoo then that would seem to be the more detrimental choice. </p>
<p>Analysts had hoped Trky would eventually leave the natoo alliance. Build energy, food and security ties with Russia. Move in the direction of Eurasia, OBOR and the SCO. This is where the future is emerging with safety and respect for sovereignty. Has Trky missed this opportunity.</p>
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